you need to make Merlin go darkside
from dreams
Cait 9:55 PM
ooooh, crap, you're right
Maeg 9:55 PM
THAT's what S5x1 and 2 should have done
Merlin is wigging the fuck out because of the dreams
Cait 9:55 PM
established that THAT'S his problem?
Yeah
Maeg 9:55 PM
starts acting not Merliny
yeah
Cait 9:55 PM
he's gonna have to start wigging the fuck out if he's going darkside
I mean
he hasn't been sleeping
Maeg 9:55 PM
yes and then it escalates!
Cait 9:55 PM
so he could totally think it's from lack of sleep at first
like you know how if you haven't slept in too long you have the weirdest damn dreams?
could be like that, but then they don't just stop once he gets enough sleep
Maeg 9:56 PM
yeah
and then he's wigging out BECAUSE he's going darkside
and that only makes it worse
Cait 9:57 PM
yeah
Maeg 9:57 PM
and he starts being snippy with people,
not caring if Gwaine's captured or dead, for example
Cait 9:57 PM
D:
Cept our Gwaine isn't getting captured or dead
Maeg 9:58 PM
welll...
Cait 9:58 PM
do you think this is something that should fit in to our's this season, or is there already too much going on?
Maeg 9:58 PM
oh no, I'm thinking for next season
but up to you
Cait 9:59 PM
Yeah right okay, I hoped so
I was gonna be like
"Megan, I'm great at troubleshooting and all, but that ain't fittin'."
and hey, somehow Freya can contribute to the craziness, I'm sure
Maeg 10:00 PM
yes
Cait 10:00 PM
like he can totally think that whatever he did to get her out of the lake is partially the root of whatever's going on
and uh, at some point, we'll have to actually come up with a reason why it's happening
like if Morgana has FINALLY figured out that she can go after Merlin and get at several people that way
I mean, loads easier picking on a servant than the king or one of his knights, right?
Maeg 10:03 PM
exactly
well
and after she knows about his magic
Cait 10:03 PM
oh she's finding out?
K is telling her, huh
Maeg 10:04 PM
well once everyone knows??
Cait 10:04 PM
well yeah that's true
haha
and it could even be super innocent enough at first, like he has random prophetic dreams but not about anything bad
just... oh hey, that happened
Maeg 10:05 PM
right
Cait 10:05 PM
and then they get definitely NOT harmless
oh man, yeah, he'd go all ten shades of freaked out
[10/16/2012 10:10:27 PM] Maeg: so it's sort of a self fulfilling prophecy
[10/16/2012 10:10:41 PM] Maeg: like "i might go darkside" is what makes him go DS
[10/16/2012 10:11:18 PM] Cait: And I had another thought but I'll let you finish reading first
[10/16/2012 10:12:31 PM] BA: yes what's your thought?
[10/16/2012 10:12:39 PM] Cait: it's a long thought
[10/16/2012 10:14:14 PM] Cait: but I think, after everyone finds out about his magic, Merlin is probably still going to be crazy uneasy about actually doing magic around any of them- just because it makes /them/ uneasy and he'd just as soon not deal with getting sidelong looks or whatever
[10/16/2012 10:14:26 PM] BA: ok
[10/16/2012 10:15:16 PM] Cait: and I would like, eventually, for him to get the hell /over/ it, but more because he realizes that he's perhaps being a little over-reactive about how everyone /else/ is reacting? Does that make any sense?
[10/16/2012 10:15:32 PM] Maeg: yes that sounds good
[10/16/2012 10:15:42 PM] Cait: is it lame?
[10/16/2012 10:16:50 PM] Maeg: no I think it's good. it seems like it would be hard to show vs. tell, but it's a good plan
[10/16/2012 10:16:55 PM] Cait:
I reckon now that I've improved dialogue (which I was really bad at) I better work on learning how to figure out plots and character development
[10/16/2012 10:17:30 PM] BA: yeah i think that works well. Leon will, after all, only be wary of Merlin for the S1 finale--after that he may be a bit scared of magic but trust that Merlin can handle it. does that make sense/
[10/16/2012 10:17:39 PM] Cait: well, but not /so/ hard to show instead of tell, if he's still kind of sneaking around about it
[10/16/2012 10:17:47 PM] Cait: yeah that makes sense
[10/16/2012 10:18:23 PM] Cait: but Merlin, because he wasn't quite expecting /that/ reaction, or not to that extent, then assumes everyone else is... I dunno, freaking out about it but not telling him
[10/16/2012 10:18:28 PM] Maeg: oh yes okay
[10/16/2012 10:19:17 PM] Cait: nnnngh, not, though, that he thinks they hate him- he probably knows they don't, and thinks that's WHY they're not saying anything to him about it
[10/16/2012 10:20:20 PM] Maeg: all of the feels. he can be really confused and torn about everything
[10/16/2012 10:20:29 PM] Cait: yeeeeah basically
[10/16/2012 10:20:44 PM] Cait: unless that's too emo
[10/16/2012 10:21:58 PM] Cait: Cause if he's sneaking around, still, goodness knows it's not like he'll be doing magic for fun- and honestly I think that's almost a good indicator of how he's coping, if he's not doing magic for /fun/
[10/16/2012 10:22:02 PM] Cait: BA has thoughts
[10/16/2012 10:22:04 PM] Maeg: nahh. just make it more angry and give poor Merlin some agency instead of pouting and being helpless or cockblocked for stupid reasons like they do in the show
[10/16/2012 10:22:26 PM | Edited 10:22:31 PM] BA: i think that works. OH could there be a scene at the end of S2 where Leon actively trusts Merlin's magic with something important? To help Merlin realize that his magic can truly be a force for good? Because that's something I've always wondered about Merlin--does he start to view his own magic as evil because he has seen magic be used for so many bad things by basically every other magic user out there....?
[10/16/2012 10:22:37 PM] Cait: yeah
[10/16/2012 10:22:41 PM] Cait: oh man I think that's great
[10/16/2012 10:22:42 PM] Cait: yes
[10/16/2012 10:23:02 PM] Cait: because he'd DOUBLY think that if he thinks he's going all darkside
[10/16/2012 10:23:11 PM] Cait: like maybe magic /does/ make people evil eventually
[10/16/2012 10:23:42 PM] BA: like if I were Merlin I would have a complex and think that my magic was something to be ashamed of--and in general be really wary of using it especially in front of people
[10/16/2012 10:23:54 PM] Cait: right, which is also what I was thinking
[10/16/2012 10:24:04 PM] BA: i don't think it should actually MAKE him evil though.
[10/16/2012 10:24:08 PM] Cait: no no
[10/16/2012 10:24:12 PM] Cait: no, he just thinks it will
[10/16/2012 10:24:15 PM] Cait: because he's paranoid
[10/16/2012 10:24:15 PM] BA: oh ok
[10/16/2012 10:24:16 PM] BA: i see
[10/16/2012 10:24:19 PM] BA: then yes!
[10/16/2012 10:24:23 PM] BA: I think this is a good idea
[10/16/2012 10:24:35 PM] Cait: and he's having creepy dreams he thinks are prophetic that're Morgana's(?) fault
[10/16/2012 10:24:47 PM] Maeg: well, okay, with the evil
[10/16/2012 10:24:50 PM] Maeg: I have a comment on that
[10/16/2012 10:24:56 PM] Cait: Just like she did before she went waaaaay off the reservation
[10/16/2012 10:24:59 PM] Maeg: I mean, *how* evil is still debatable
[10/16/2012 10:25:03 PM] BA: *stowing it in future Merlin plots* oh do we want to go down the Order of the Phoenix road?
[10/16/2012 10:25:20 PM] Cait: I read that book once, and so fast I don't remember any of it.
[10/16/2012 10:25:47 PM | Edited 10:25:56 PM] BA: After Harry got prophecies from Voldy, Voldy gave him fake ones and led him into a trap, essentially
[10/16/2012 10:25:54 PM] Cait: oh
[10/16/2012 10:25:57 PM] Cait: yeah, basically
[10/16/2012 10:25:59 PM] Cait: man, I forgot that
[10/16/2012 10:26:18 PM] Cait: reckon someone's gonna jump our case for it?
[10/16/2012 10:26:21 PM] BA: there was a movie I think
[10/16/2012 10:26:26 PM] Cait: haha
[10/16/2012 10:26:58 PM] Maeg: but the thing with Merlin is he's already perfect. He's not screwed up in the way Leon and certainly not Gwaine are. So for him to have a strong character journey I feel like he needs to go down before he can come up properly, and have it matter. He makes mistakes, but that's less dynamic. I mean, we need to bring him back to the place where he poisons good Morgana, and then make him earn the right to be the "good guy" again, much less the perfect sweet innocent darling
[10/16/2012 10:27:13 PM] BA: hahaha ummm no i don't necessarily think so. I mean it depends on how we do it. Prophecies can get annoying if Merlin's running around like a chicken with his head cut off only to realize hes been had
[10/16/2012 10:28:05 PM] Cait: so, Megan, like do the wrong things for the right-or-mostly-right reasons?
[10/16/2012 10:29:04 PM] BA: yeah
[10/16/2012 10:29:07 PM] Cait: although I'd argue that poisoning Morgana was not for a really spectacular reason, cause lordy, were there like ten other better ways he could have handled that situation
[10/16/2012 10:29:21 PM] BA: yeah but he thought it was the only way, so I think it counts
[10/16/2012 10:29:25 PM] Cait: yeah
[10/16/2012 10:29:38 PM] Maeg: right, yeah. well there's diff things going on there, too
[10/16/2012 10:29:47 PM] Cait: the dragon did not help
[10/16/2012 10:29:49 PM] BA: that could be a good journey he takes: learning about justification and means to particular ends
[10/16/2012 10:29:50 PM] Maeg: I dunno I feel like they're shying away from any real dynamism with Merlin
[10/16/2012 10:29:57 PM] Maeg: he more makes mistakes than anything
[10/16/2012 10:30:07 PM] Maeg: there's really nothing "wrong" with him except that he screws up sometimes
[10/16/2012 10:30:09 PM | Edited 10:30:19 PM] Cait: I don't know, they go much further down the road they are traveling this season...
[10/16/2012 10:30:34 PM] BA: but I think that's a major flaw in his character--he gets one intended goal in his head and kind of ignores other consequences
[10/16/2012 10:30:43 PM] BA: so exploring that could be really interesting
[10/16/2012 10:30:52 PM] Cait: yes he has that teenage boy thing going on
[10/16/2012 10:30:53 PM] BA: *gasp* hes like Uther in that respect
[10/16/2012 10:31:08 PM] Maeg: ohhh yes! that's true!
[10/16/2012 10:31:11 PM] Cait: um, not that I don't actually sympathize with that, as heaven knows I get a little single-minded
[10/16/2012 10:31:18 PM] Cait: oh MAN if anyone ever said that to his face
[10/16/2012 10:31:27 PM] BA: ARTHUR COULD SAY IT
[10/16/2012 10:31:32 PM] Cait: he would be both furious and unbelievably hurt
[10/16/2012 10:31:56 PM] Cait: THAT would be grounds for disappearing into the old dragon cave to mope and rage about it for a few hours
[10/16/2012 10:32:03 PM] BA: because conceivably Merlin will be the royal loyal advisor when his magic is revealed, and what if he started making decisions based on good intentions but with bad repercussions?
[10/16/2012 10:32:33 PM] BA: hahah that'd b a laugh, casting Arthur as the wise one
[10/16/2012 10:32:43 PM] Maeg: oh yeah
[10/16/2012 10:32:44 PM] Cait: oh, I dunno, I like it
[10/16/2012 10:32:52 PM] Cait: he deserves to be the smart one once in awhile
[10/16/2012 10:33:29 PM] Cait: and it would be neat to see ARTHUR giving the advice for once
[10/16/2012 10:33:45 PM] Maeg: agreed
[10/16/2012 10:34:18 PM] Cait: kind of "What the hell is wrong with you, you are acting like a crazy person and I am concerned"
[10/16/2012 10:34:35 PM] Cait: that's usually Merlin's job, to tell Arthur when he's acting like a crazy person